ETG - 2022 Year End Recap

Speaker 2 00:00:17 All right. Welcome back to a very special edition of Eliminate the Gap. Uh, this is our 2022 year end recap, and we are delighted for you to have joined the three of us. And hopefully before this episode is finished recording, we'll be joined by Shuk Sudan as well, who is, uh, finishing up an obligation that she has, uh, that we, uh, absolutely are honored that she's, uh, undertaking. So that said, Hey, welcome back, uh, guys. Uh, Raul Delmore, what a year, uh, 2022, uh, has been. Um, yep. Uh, you know, it's funny, one of the first things we started with, uh, this year is we got a new logo at the beginning of 22. We, we took that cartoon figure of, oh, let's say Delmar and I, because we were expanding our team Speaker 1 00:01:17 For Speaker 2 00:01:17 Correspondence, and we said, you know what? That no longer works. And we upgraded significantly, both with our logo and also, uh, with our expanded team. So that is how we kind of kicked off the year. So, anyway, welcome, gentlemen. Speaker 1 00:01:31 But they can't hear the theme music behind the logo. That's the problem. So we were just doing the, you know, it was just like a theme. Speaker 2 00:01:40 That's right. Uh, they can't hear the Speaker 1 00:01:43 Music behind something. Music behind the logo. Just gotta let you know, we'll, we'll make that happen for people. Don't worry about it. Absolutely. It was a very nice logo, no doubt. Oh my gosh. Yeah. Speaker 2 00:01:55 There you go. And, uh, we also, one of the other kind of changes, in addition to Raul taking a, a, a larger, larger role, uh, in our endeavor, and then us bringing on Shaan, uh, is added certainly a much needed voice, um, to, to offset me for sure, um, is that we also, uh, took on a new editor. Um, and so Matthew Ratcliff has edited most of the episodes this season. Um, and that's certainly an upgrade as well. So we've enjoyed making some of these kind of behind the scenes changes, uh, for y'all's, uh, viewing pleasure. Um, so those are kind of the technical sides of things. You know, let's start talking a little bit, if you don't mind, about what was 2022, what overall stands out for you, and then we can jump into some specifics with some of our episodes. Speaker 1 00:02:56 Well, before we do that, I think, um, Eric is very humble. Uh, I was talking to him earlier about his leadership on the podcast and how he's been sort of like the major source of coordination, uh, making sure that, you know, our guests are informed, uh, certainly about the podcast and about what our goals are. Um, also, you know, the pre-work and everything like that, you know, while we've had conversations with guests, Eric has been the one primarily communicating, um, also expanding our team. It's been a lot. So I, I do wanna thank Eric for his leadership. Um, you know, we certainly wouldn't be here without it, so we do appreciate that. And I just wanted to say that, cause I'll Speaker 2 00:03:38 Be appreciate it. That's very kind. Yeah. Speaker 3 00:03:40 Ditto, man. Ditto. Speaker 2 00:03:42 No worries. No worries. So, you know, I think about it's, it, you know, December's always reflective time for a lot of folks, and certainly has been for me. And I think about just where we are, uh, today versus where we were coming into this year. Um, in terms of hope, in terms of the transition coming out of the, the pandemic and being fully open. I mean, there's a whole host of things that have, uh, happened both positively and challenges as well along the way. Um, Delmar, what kind of just generally stands out to you for 2022 mm-hmm. <affirmative>. Speaker 3 00:04:24 Well, really what stands out to me, uh, 2020 two's been, it's been a up and down rollercoaster year for me, but, uh, early in the year, and, and we actually hit on this during, during the year to a degree, is, uh, just the mental health of, of young people more so than anything. Uh, I lost a, a dear close friend in a, in a national scene, uh, that I went to school with and played football with. Uh, he was one of the police officers at the Bridgewater shooting, and so that kind of kicked my year off this year. And, uh, you know, he's, he's been with me throughout the thought of the, throughout this year in terms of thoughts. So, uh, and, you know, just again, around me in so many different ways throughout the year, this mental health thing has continued to kind pop its head. Speaker 3 00:05:20 Uh, whether it be, I'm, I'm located in Virginia, and currently right now I'm probably about a half an hour away from the University of Virginia. And, uh, things that took place there. And, uh, even in my own school setting, uh, we've, we've endured some, uh, mental health issues. So, uh, that's really been on my mind and been heavy on my heart here over the 22. So that's kinda for me, where I'm at and kinda things that I've kinda reflected back on and, and thinking through and just trying to find out, you know, or think through rather, which, what ways can, can we be of help and of assistance other than, you know, we had the one podcast around that, which is different ways we might be able to assist out in on that level. Speaker 2 00:06:12 Yeah. That, that, that's interesting. Um, and, and we'll have an opportunity to dig a little deeper, I think, on some of those themes. Raul, what's, uh, stood out for you generally before we jump into some specifics with our episodes? Speaker 1 00:06:25 Well, I think, um, 2022 has been certainly the year that tested, uh, the whole mantra of thinking globally, but acting locally. Um, and I think there are things that we can do every day that make a difference. Uh, Delmar was talking about somebody that he lost, and we've known and, um, and seen unfortunately in the news, and, um, just how many people are making, um, very, very, uh, I don't wanna call them bad decisions. They're making decisions based on the reality that they, they believe that they're facing. So how do we, um, become outlets? We always talk about carrying adults in youth development. It's not just caring adults, it's family members, it's siblings. It's being able to listen to somebody when they have something to say. Um, and part of this, uh, podcast has been the fact that, you know, we've been able to not just share what other people are thinking and in terms of global youth development goals, but, you know, we learn, you know, as a team. Um, and we sit and we talk about the episodes and we think about how this applies to current, you know, every day. So, um, I think 2022, from a family standpoint, it's about acting locally, uh, for me. Um, it's about really, uh, turning those lessons around and seeing how you can apply them, uh, internally, you know, to your family, uh, making yourself stronger so that other people, you know, pick up on that. So, Speaker 2 00:07:58 Yeah. Uh, perfect. I mean, those are absolutely, uh, between the, you all very important critical themes that are gonna be with us for some time. They're not a 2022 slice of time. They're an ongoing, uh, component. Um, just generally speaking for, when I think about 2022, outside of some of these things, I think about the fact that, you know, I've been in youth development for more than 20 years mm-hmm. <affirmative>, um, and this was the first year I stepped into teach a class mm-hmm. <affirmative>. And that has been, uh, eye-opening in the most positive way possible for me. Um, I, uh, Raul and I, through the years have joked that I'm, he and I have trained lots of folks, and, and I would always defer to his, uh, expertise, his, his genuine authenticity, his warmth, his, um, care for, for young people. And we would joke that, that maybe I didn't have, uh, the same natural gifts <laugh> that Raul have. Speaker 2 00:09:07 And that still is very true to this day. But I will say it's been interesting and, and just quite fulfilling to be able to teach a class, um, this past, uh, half year, um, because it's really enabled me to get back working directly with young people in a day, in a day out way, to not only in a training environment, you might get somebody for a day or three days or a week, um, but to have 17, 18 weeks, five days a week, uh, with the same group of young people to watch that development occur. And it only strengthened my belief in what we've known works around youth development and youth development principles. One of the things that, when we started this podcast a year or so ago, man, gosh, almost, almost two years, um, was around this idea, at least from my perspective, that there wasn't enough youth development in education, formal education. Speaker 2 00:10:03 Mm. Not from, from my liking. And I had a chance to kind of go against that and put my money where my mouth was day in and day out, and try to put youth development squarely in the classroom. Uh, I feel like I've done that. I feel like I've seen some growth, um, with that. And so as we go into 2023 outside of some things that we'll absolutely talk about, just me personally, just brought me back to my roots of, of, of what good positive youth development does and can look like. So that's kinda where I, uh, kind of transformed, uh, over this past year. Speaker 1 00:10:40 So, the other thing at last, but not least, maybe on, and then we'll go into our, our episodes, uh, but there's a big, uh, big deal. Delmar, uh, as many of you know, coaches, uh, football, and, uh, his team made state, um, they went all the way to state, and, and it's, that's a big deal. Um, and that's again, another, uh, you know, I give credit to Delmar. Um, so the kids are watching him as leadership, and there were some games, as Delmar said that, that, you know, they didn't think that they would win. You know, the kids didn't think, and so that whatever that speech was, whatever, <laugh>, however you fired them up, they won, and they went all the way to state, you know, so that, that's a, that's a big deal. So, uh, while we wanna celebrate the accomplishments of everyone that's listening to the podcast, it's also important among the team to recognize when, especially all that time and effort, um, and that passion. Uh, so Delmar, congratulations with you and your team. Speaker 3 00:11:41 Surely, surely. Thank you for that. I really appreciate that. And that, uh, you know, those, those are those bonds that you, you have forever, man. And you know, those guys, I'll always be eternally grateful and they'll always have a place in my heart. And, uh, brought back a lot of, you know, great memories over the course of time, and I've been doing football, so it was, it was really a great experience. So, good. Hopefully, hopefully this is just the beginning. Speaker 2 00:12:08 There you go. There you go. Uh, it's a great kind of recap and certainly on a positive trajectory. I appreciate that role. Um, so we wanted to dive into, um, some of the episodes that stood out for us the most. And, uh, I'm gonna put up here just a quick recap of, of who we had, um, and then we can talk about it on the other side. Speaker 2 00:12:37 All right. So as you can, uh, tell, and many of you hopefully witnessed and, and had a chance to check out all of these episodes this past year, um, we have 10 interviews, uh, yet again. So we've, uh, been pacing about one to two a month, um, generally speaking. Um, and so we started off, we were just talking about football, and we started off with Devin Moore, uh, who is an outstanding person in his own right. And we'll have a chance to maybe chat a little bit more in depth. Um, but he's the N F L P a Indianapolis Chapter President. Um, and then we took on some sustainable goals and a real important global discussion with, uh, Annalia Piran. And then, you know, a very provocative, honest, uh, very enjoyable from my perspective, conversation with Donald or Co Earl Collins about education. Um, and then we were very honored to have Michael McCabe, who was transitioning at the time away, uh, as a senior youth advisor for U S A I D. Speaker 2 00:13:41 Um, and he's now in his new role, uh, at Peace Corps, but at the time he was in transition. And it was a great kind of reflective and future look at global development from a significant, uh, funder. Um, and then sadly, uh, and we'll talk more about this episode here, we, we decided to vote a whole episode on youth gun violence with, in reaction to, uh, a lot of things that were happening around the country, and still, unfortunately do. Um, and then we had a great conversation with Leon Andrews, who heads up, uh, an organization called Equal Measure that really looks at, um, equity and diversity and as well as evaluation, um, in the nonprofit sector. That was a, a good conversation. And then we pivoted back to a little bit in the sports side, but how one, uh, n b A franchise is investing in a local community. Speaker 2 00:14:38 So we had a great discussion with Corey Wilson around their efforts. And then if many of you followed our top five countdown of episodes, uh, of the year, number one episode by, uh, viewers and, and listens was our conversation with Suzanne Barson, uh, who's the c e O of Keli. And Keli, it, you missed that episode again, is this pretty innovative tool to allow, uh, organizations to quickly identify contractors, particularly in the proposal development, uh, and design phase. Um, so it was a very interesting, innovative conversation. And then we closed out the year with two conversations, one with, uh, Matthew Maven, uh, co-founder of two 20 Leadership, which is a organization that does a whole host of, um, uh, material and support for young people. But this particular conversation, we focused about youth as entrepreneurs and training and opportunities, uh, that their organization provides. And then lastly, we, our last live interview of the year was, was Starla Hart and Andrea Russell with the IU Health Foundation, uh, specifically their Mosaic Center and what they're doing to, uh, help, uh, bring more opportunity, uh, to underrepresented groups in the healthcare field, both, um, uh, as doctors and, and nurses, but also in support staff and folks that work in and around, um, healthcare. Speaker 2 00:16:16 And so those were, uh, kind of a summary of, of what we were able to do in this past, uh, year, uh, from an episode standpoint, just to refresh many of your memories. And so I thought, um, what we could do is just kind of have a discussion around Robin, however we choose to do it, about some of those episodes that stood out to us, why, and what we're looking forward to, uh, in the coming year. So that's, uh, hopefully a nice refresher for all of us. And, and, and for you all listening. Um, so Delmar, let's kick it off with you, if that's all right. Um, you started to kind of go into your theme of 2022. Um, talk Speaker 3 00:16:58 About Speaker 2 00:16:59 Some of our guests or anything that stood out to you from an episode standpoint. Speaker 3 00:17:04 Uh, really when it comes to just thinking about some of the episodes we've had, uh, you know, that one super thing, and we've, we've discussed this time and time again, and this, this kinda is a theme, especially as I relate to, you know, and I think through my, my educational day on a day-to-day basis is, is this thing where we, we intentionally, uh, build in relationship, right? And, uh, the way some of our, uh, interviewees have, have built in and connected with people, uh, really is just, uh, inspirational in a lot of ways. You know, even thinking back to the, the program that is at I u p and, and what they're doing there, and the connection that was made between, I can't remember, it was Starla and I can't remember name, Andrea. Andrea, but yeah, that, that connection that was made just through that organization, like is, is really telling it. And that's really, at the end of the day, what we hope that we can build with each and every young person, right? So, uh, that's the, that's one of the huge things that I kinda think about. And even the connections on a peer to peer level, like with Key Line and with, uh, uh, what's going on with the 20 project as well, really, uh, is important, I think, as we kinda are a tool or, or a conduit to, to help establish some of these things, hopefully. Speaker 1 00:18:53 So for me, um, I think, uh, Devin Moore, uh, the N F L P A, I think that was an important episode. There were a lot of things, uh, particularly not just organized as a union for retired players, uh, to have that support and also to have that, uh, healthy transition. Um, he did talk about, uh, the importance to him when it comes to his mom, when it comes to manners, when it comes to all of the things that helped raise him. Sister Rita, I think, was one of the, uh, leaders, uh, or one of the teachers, um, in school. He talked about being in private schools. Um, but Sister Rita, you know, gave him some of those lessons, and I'm sure some of the discipline that goes along <laugh> as a private school. Um, he talked about his challenges, his challenges, he being cut from the team, um, also in terms of transitions, what he sees day in and day out, not just N F L players, but people in life, how they transition. Speaker 1 00:19:54 Um, and if, if it's them transitioning on their own terms, it's a lot healthier. But when they have to transition or when they're forced to transition, when they can't see what's going to, what, what's coming, um, that becomes a little bit more frustrating, a little bit more unhealthy. So if you can transition, transition on your own terms, uh, that was an important part. Um, and Aaliyah Pirani, when she was talking about the global youth development goals, uh, she was talking about how this is, this is a very unique time in our lives where we are facing, uh, not just the coming off of a global pandemic, uh, coming off of, uh, the climate change issue, global security, that we have to be able to act differently and adapt. And I bring that down to the relationship level. You know, for me, our, our young people, our children, children, they're going through everything that they're going through every day. Speaker 1 00:20:50 They're changing. So the way that we communicate, the way that we do things, the way that we support them has to change. So back then, when they were younger and it took an hour and a half or two hours to get them out of a funk or whatever else it was, sometimes it's just a word now, or it's just putting in that time and listening. And so, again, the global youth development goals and the lessons that we had in the episode, but really boil down to sort of like how you act locally. Um, and for me, that's the important part is that we're all agents of change. And I know that's a term that we've used over the years, but until you live it, until you believe it, you're not gonna see how much it impacts everybody's life around you. Um, and then I gotta go to my all time favor. Speaker 1 00:21:38 Sorry, it wasn't on the list, Eric, but, um, when we did, uh, Greg Taylor, um, you know, certainly with the N Foundation and the, the one particular quote that I hope society understands is we are not, uh, preparing. We're not, we shouldn't be focused on preparing our young people or just preparing our young people for society, but preparing society for our young people. And so there has to be a meeting point. There has to be somewhere in between where the, uh, the institutions, the organizations, the companies, that they understand exactly where our young people are, uh, so they can meet them, bring them, um, certainly embrace the culture, um, in a way that makes young people feel that we are creating something different. Um, and this is a future that we have control over. Having control over your future, your transitions over the caring adults in your life is gonna lead to success every single time. So those are the things that stood out to me, uh, certainly about 2022. Uh, and so, Eric, it's on you. Speaker 2 00:22:48 Yeah, no, I, those are, they're both, uh, both very thoughtful and I appreciate kind of just going through memory, Elaine there with you all on those. And, and, and Raul Harkening back to the beginning of the, uh, year with a couple of examples is, is, is great. Um, so for me it was pretty simple to think about the one that stood out the, to me the most. And it's because it's the one that bothered me the most. And, and, and so there were a couple times earlier in 2022, unfortunately, particularly as schools ending, where we had some school shootings and we had some just senseless youth violence and, and, and Uvalde and, and just, you know, all of these kinds of places. And then we get on the phone and we, you know, initially wanted, like, we feel like we have to contribute, we have to have a conversation. Speaker 2 00:23:43 We feel like we need to lend voice out there to, to, to help kind of all of us kind of process things and, and think about it. What can we do? You know, what is it that I could do in my own local community to maybe help combat some of that? And so it's, it's, it's an uncomfortable piece. This, this podcast has generally been, uh, well, not generally been, it has been informational, lighthearted, and conversational. Um, and, and within that we hope that we, uh, are able to bring some, uh, interesting things that you learn, uh, as a listener, as a viewer. And so, um, this one particular issue, when we finally decided to move forward with it, wasn't sure how much we needed to get into it. And I'm using the word political, p small p, you know, but any sort of step in that direction will begin to turn other people off. Speaker 2 00:24:42 And then all of a sudden it becomes about that conversation about back and forth and who's right, and what did you really mean by that? And you're not listening. And, and then we lose sight of what's really happening here, which is, and, and, and y'all have touched on it, right? But, but around mental health and, and just the isolation and the exacerbation that Covid had. And, and really just taking something that's been with us for a while and just making it worse potentially. And, and, but more importantly, than what can we do? And so this was an issue in an episode that I wanted to be able to do. And, and so I invited, uh, you know, a local voice, somebody's grappling with it on the grassroots, you know, in a very kind of real way, um, to get their thoughts. Um, and, and so it seemed like a, a, a good opportunity to participate, be a part of, no longer be afraid of an issue like youth gun violence. Speaker 2 00:25:36 And, and, and for us to, again, do what we've been doing, which is, let's root it in positive youth development. Let's talk about it in terms of practical ways that folks, that as a teacher, as a youth worker, as a parent, as a caregiver, somebody in the community, who cares, what is it that I can do to help with that? And so I, for me, that was an episode that was an important episode to do, just from a personal threshold around this podcast. Um, but more importantly about, uh, just an significant issue of our time. And, and, and even since that, uh, episode aired and there's been more, and, you know, not that our episode was ever going to curb it, um, but it's, it's, it's at least a, a part of a conversation that needs to be ongoing. So that's the episode that kind of stands out to me. Speaker 2 00:26:29 The, you know, um, uh, I also really enjoyed our conversation with Donald Earl, Earl Collins, cuz he's a, he's a tell it like it is kind of guy. Um, and he's been a rabble rouser for a bit. He writes a, a column, uh, regularly, um, in Al Jazeera. Uh, he has been really questioning a lot of things in society and as well as in ed education. And so I thought he would be a very provocative guest that, and he was, and I thought it was outstanding. He certainly generated the most comments, um, that we had of any, uh, episode, uh, this, uh, past season. Um, but for me it was a, it was a good, you know, way to make sure people are out there still listening so they can hear some things and, and maybe get them to think a little differently. So I enjoyed, those are a couple just kind of reflections, uh, from where I was. Speaker 2 00:27:23 Um, as we kind of move now from this 2022, uh, year moving to 2023, just, you know, take a minute each of us and, and think, is there a topic or an area that you hope we cover in 2023, um, that you think, uh, uh, will certainly continue to, to honor the spirit of, of the podcast that, that, uh, we do. And I'll go first since I just threw that question out on you, <laugh>. Um, I, I want us to, one, we need to, uh, dig a little deeper, um, and, and bring, uh, to our conversation around young people, uh, with special needs, uh, bring in that part of the conversation. There are folks all over the world that are doing tremendous work in that area. And I think, uh, we need to, uh, give voice to that, highlight the things that are working for them, and then ways maybe, uh, any of you listening could take on some of those best practices. So that's an area that that comes to mind. And then I do think that, uh, we need to continue to, to stretch ourselves around, uh, the globe and, and really digging and trying to identify places that are, uh, uh, some amazing work and stories that need to be told and give them some amplification in, in kind of our medium. Um, so those are a couple things that I challenge myself and then all of us to kind of think about as we move into 2023. Um, who wants to go next? Speaker 1 00:29:02 I'll go. That's fine. Um, and just, just building off the lessons that we had in 2022. Um, real, uh, concrete actions, uh, that people can, can that things people can do, that young people, that adults, uh, that, you know, uh, political leaders com, like everyday things, almost like an everyday list of, of actions, you know? Mm-hmm. <affirmative>, um, whatever you wanna call it. But just examples of those types of things that made a difference. Um, and, you know, easy things that people can do, I think are gonna be very important for us. Um, we talk about, uh, relationships. Um, I, I wanna make sure under that kind of umbrella of actions also that we cover the virtual relationships that, you know, control, you know, uh, you know, control people's lives. I mean, everybody's online. Everybody's meeting virtually. What does that mean? How does that change the way that, uh, parents talk to the young people? I think in some of those areas, I think there are opportunities to talk about, you know, just how, you know, just focusing in on the concrete, how relationships are different, um, and how you, uh, I guess respond and not overreact to certain, uh, you know, uh, online, uh, relationships. So I think that's gonna be important. Speaker 2 00:30:23 No, that, that, that's, uh, echo that. And I, you know, I feel like Delmar just made a circle. Cause I feel like it's, Speaker 1 00:30:31 He did <laugh> Speaker 2 00:30:33 Move. Speaker 3 00:30:35 I did. Speaker 2 00:30:36 That Speaker 3 00:30:37 Was fun. Yeah. Hey, that was, you know, it was, it was a little, it was getting a little loud where I was. I figured I'd come here so I could speak here. You know, I Speaker 2 00:30:45 Appreciate you did a fine job. Perfectly Speaker 3 00:30:49 <laugh>. But, uh, Eric, you stole a little bit of my thunder there, and I think we've, we've discussed this a little bit to a degree in regards to, uh, youth with disabilities. I think there's definitely a area for us to address and to touch base on, and to, uh, really, uh, kinda put our, our thumbprint on, uh, working with youth with disabilities, and especially in and from, from all aspects. But definitely with outside of education, there's definitely some great opportunities, I think, out there to work with young people. And there's more and more programs out there for, for young people with, with disabilities. And so that's something I'm looking forward to. And, uh, I've already had some conversations with some folks that, that have some expertise in these areas that hopefully we'll be able to get on maybe early in 2023. And, uh, you know, that's, that's a area I think that just, again, we, we haven't really been able to touch yet. Speaker 3 00:31:57 And I think there's just so much that we can do around that. So maybe, you know, o over the course, 2023, maybe not one, maybe two, maybe three. Oh, no, I get, I get to be like LeBron, but <laugh>, um, <laugh>. But, but that's again, an area that I think we fe I feel we can, uh, provide some insights to people and provide some, uh, folks that, that have experience and, uh, that nature. So that's one. And then the other thing that I've kinda to thought about in regards to, and this is kind of piggybacking on some of the stuff we discussed earlier, is, uh, just this whole thing around, uh, as, as I've gone through the year, I've thought with all the things that go on, uh, I'm starting to reflect back on how we work and, and deal with young people that are not experiencing, uh, success, really. Speaker 3 00:32:58 And I think that's a, a huge area as well that, uh, we have to address, not not just here on this podcast, but I think that's in youth development in general. I think that's an area that we don't necessarily, we talk about positive things always, but, but let's face it, youth, you know, are, are going to experience failure. And how we deal with that, I think, and is it's critical to how they perceive themselves. One, because let's face it, that's part of the issue right now I believe young people are having, is, uh, they perceive themselves in, in a particular way, and maybe not the way that we particularly see 'em, but there's, there's reality in, you know, how they feel that people perceive them. So how do we go about changing that, uh, perception that, you know, people have and, and helping them through that process of not feeling successful? So, Speaker 1 00:34:00 That's a great point, Delmar. That's a wonderful point. Speaker 2 00:34:03 Yeah. You know, and I think there's a lot of opportunity to kinda explore that in different ways. Um, Speaker 1 00:34:09 Hmm. Well, the first part of that, and, and this is a, you know, good way to even begin the conversation when we go back and think about it, is the definition of success and failure. I think for young people, I think that becomes very important. Somebody at some point told them that they were failing at something. Um, and the reality is that they're probably succeeding in several areas that they don't measure. Um, and so how do we, you know, how do we, uh, how do we make that, um, uh, a reality for young people to understand that they are actually being successful, um, in a lot of ways, uh, they just don't, you know, it might be that, that far, uh, that overall goal, you know, that they're striving for. And if they don't get there, they don't think it's success. But, um, but I think there are a lot of opportunities there. Um, I think that's a great point, Delmar, and I think that's a theme actually throughout, uh, some of the things that we've been talking about, mental health, uh, when we're talking about relationships, uh, when we're talking about everyday actions, um, that make you, I mean, those things, I think all connect. So yeah, I think we're vibing a little bit. Speaker 2 00:35:20 Yeah. Um, I appreciate you surfacing that, uh, Dell. Um, well, as our, our time is coming to a close here, uh, on this episode, I wanted to just share two things if I could. Um, so we made changes coming into this year. We, the logo, I, I joke about that, but we did make that change. New editor, that's awesome. But what we did do also is expand, uh, the voices, uh, on this podcast. And while it's disappointing that Sru Sudan couldn't join us for this year, in recap, many of you know, she's been an added voice this year, uh, to, to several of our podcasts. Um, and so she's been wonderful. She's very thoughtful, she asks tough questions, um, and we look forward to continuing to expand her role with our podcast, as well as identifying some additional voices maybe to, to, again, help us be as representative and as thoughtful, uh, about perspectives in the field of mm-hmm. <affirmative> Speaker 2 00:36:23 Of global youth development. So we look forward to that. And then the last piece, um, we are looking to, uh, in 2023, make this podcast more formal in terms of it becoming its own 5 0 1 <unk> <unk> organization, so that we can, uh, begin to do some additional things, um, to help serve you all the listener, uh, the viewer. So we are looking forward to, you know, those kinds of changes. You've got a little, uh, tease of the subject areas that we're seeking to, uh, to bring to you at least in the early part of 2023. And, and, and much like any year, we'll continue to, to just adapt and be flexible and respond to the issues that you care about. Um, and we will, uh, uh, continue to honor that. Um, with that Raul, uh, Delmar Shuk absentia, uh, thank you so much for making 2022, uh, an excellent second season. Um, and we look forward to, uh, uh, season three coming out. Uh, let's say, uh, sometime in late January. Uh, we'll see, uh, but somewhere in there and really kick off, uh, 2023, uh, in, in a great way. Speaker 1 00:37:38 Happy and safe holidays, everyone. Yeah. Speaker 3 00:37:41 And, and hey guys, I just wanna say thank you to all the folks that have come on in life. You guys, uh, really helped challenge me personally and help me think through some things, uh, and as I work through with young people on a dayday basis. So thank you for, for all you out there that come one and inspire all of us to take us to greater height. So you Speaker 1 00:38:04 Are, you are part of the reason why Delmar's team made it to stay Speaker 3 00:38:08 <laugh>. Yeah. Here you go. All Speaker 2 00:38:11 Right. Uh, again, till we see you in 2023, again, thanks for listening. Thanks for watching. Uh, be well. Speaker 1 00:38:18 Yeah.